[screamingdemon]

that 30 hp is really from the power valve and the agressive timing it has

So your telling me that if it was a powervalved aircooled motor with agressive timing it would still be 30hp? I think not. Liquid cooling plays a key part in the HP.

But anyways, you all can do what you wan't. If you do decide to go through with the project then by all means go for it. Post up some pics and videos of it in action if you do try the whole custom liquid cooled head thing. Good luck anyways.

 

[holtzer1]

just wondering, why are you so worried about trying to maintain "consistant" temps for with this water cooling idea. its a blaster, just ride the shit out of it and dont worry about overheating and what the temperature of the engine is all the time. I agree with everybody else on this, puting water cooling on a blaster is kinda a waste cause its trying to solve a problem that doesnt really exist. sure its a neat idea, but your not gonna see any kind of added power or reliability from it.

you might want to take some classes in mechanics and engine performance before making such statements....consistant temperatures increase hp and more than anything reliability....

 

[skipzero]

Your nuts but go for it man let us know how it turns out.

But I will say this when I drag race whether the bikes are liquid cooled or not a couple runs and they have to cool down. I have about as aggresive a port job as you can get on a blaster and I have never had a cooling prob. Unless I was running it on the lean side, but then whose bike won't over heat running lean.

If you can make 65+hp out of a air cooled blaster why liquid cool it. Its not like its nitro is a cooling system.

 

[flotek]

i admire your desire to try something new and i say go for it, but i wouldnt expect it to be much of an improvemnt other than a conversation piece ,but im eager to see yo u prove us wrong too ,so go for it

 

[lildeezul]

just wondering, why are you so worried about trying to maintain "consistant" temps for with this water cooling idea. its a blaster, just ride the shit out of it and dont worry about overheating and what the temperature of the engine is all the time. I agree with everybody else on this, puting water cooling on a blaster is kinda a waste cause its trying to solve a problem that doesnt really exist. sure its a neat idea, but your not gonna see any kind of added power or reliability from it.

i think you are just repeating others, and following others.

Your contradricting yourself. at first you said " oh man go for it, neat idea!!" and now your sayin " oh why do this , ur not solving anything O O O"

stop! your just contradricting yourself,


I say its a neat idea, it will provide more reliablitly, and More HP equals more heat, so this liquid cooled idea will lower temps, equal more hp

 

[holtzer1]

no matter...once again...i'm selling my blaster....

 

[revin-it02]

So your telling me that if it was a powervalved aircooled motor with agressive timing it would still be 30hp? I think not. Liquid cooling plays a key part in the HP.

But anyways, you all can do what you wan't. If you do decide to go through with the project then by all means go for it. Post up some pics and videos of it in action if you do try the whole custom liquid cooled head thing. Good luck anyways.

you cant put powervalves on a aircooled machine, too much heat would build up, so if holtzer was going to try and put a powervalve on his machine... then yes he would probally need that liquid cooling

and as for the agressive timing, you can do that to any machine

if he kept all the mods he has done and just converted it to liquid, he wouldnt really see any noticable power gains, maybe just a little, but not much. he would just notice increased reliablitiy and consistant temps

it would be pretty cool tho





y you selling it holtzer?

 

[jmax]

lets not forget that a yamaha dt200 motor is pretty much identical to a blaster motor, and has a powervalve. i do believe that a dt200 cylinder would bolt right up and the pipe would fit and everyhting. instead of cobblin a air cooled to liquid cooled with no power gain, try getin a dt200 motor. just lookin at one you can tell that they are the exact same as a blaster. they use the same crank- connecting rod, and piston. you can even take the gears out of a blaster and put them in a dt200.

 

[revin-it02]

lets not forget that a yamaha dt200 motor is pretty much identical to a blaster motor, and has a powervalve. i do believe that a dt200 cylinder would bolt right up and the pipe would fit and everyhting. instead of cobblin a air cooled to liquid cooled with no power gain, try getin a dt200 motor. just lookin at one you can tell that they are the exact same as a blaster. they use the same crank- connecting rod, and piston. you can even take the gears out of a blaster and put them in a dt200.

as it has been said before, the odss of you finding a DT200 motor or even just the cylinder for that matter is nearly impossible

 

[aenima]

ther1: JUST DO IIIIIIT

 

[MaineExport]

no matter...once again...i'm selling my blaster....

In some other thread I think you said you're getting a 400ex....

I'm probably way wrong... but I thought those were air cooled as well? Maybe I'm thinking of the 300ex.

 

[screamingdemon]

lets not forget that a yamaha dt200 motor is pretty much identical to a blaster motor, and has a powervalve. i do believe that a dt200 cylinder would bolt right up and the pipe would fit and everyhting. instead of cobblin a air cooled to liquid cooled with no power gain, try getin a dt200 motor. just lookin at one you can tell that they are the exact same as a blaster. they use the same crank- connecting rod, and piston. you can even take the gears out of a blaster and put them in a dt200.

I've done mentioned this earlier in the thread, might want to read more carefully next time.

In some other thread I think you said you're getting a 400ex....

I'm probably way wrong... but I thought those were air cooled as well? Maybe I'm thinking of the 300ex.

Actually both the 400ex and 300ex are air cooled.

 

[cpcustoms]

It would make more hp because you are bringing down the HIGH temps that a blaster runs at. As for the dt200, it makes 30hp because when the power valve is open it has a higher more aggressive port timing on the exhaust. You don't need a power valve to do that. Just port the motor/ raise the exhaust and you will hit the 30 hp with no problem. The water cooled cylinder def. helps things out for sure. I would be willing to bet you would gain hp on a motor that had some work done to it. On a bone stock motor you may see a little, but on one that was ported, pipe and filter you would see an improvment in power because you could have a more aggresive jetting setup and add more timing do to the cooler running motor.

As for add to much weight, the gains would be worth it. The only problem I see with your project is the elect, water pump. You would more than likely have to go to a high output stator like a ricky stator to run the pump. Even then I'm not a big fan of the elec. pump. I was going to do this years ago, but decided not to, because our bikes run on methanol which aids in cooling in itself. BUT if I were going to do it, I would track down the peices on the internet (ebay or forums) to put the water pump/gear back into the stock side cover. The pump is ran off of the primary drive gear on the crank so everthing is in place. The stock cover is made with the pump housing in the cover so it would be as simple as adding the shaft, gear to run the impellar and the impellar itself. I'm not so sure that I couldn't order the parts through my oem parts supply dealer. Like I said, I worked it all out a few years ago, but never messed around with it because I run methanol. If it weren't for that I would do it.

Good idea and good luck with the project.

I'm not sure were you are located, but I'd be willing to dyno your bike before and after to show the gains you WOULD make from running the water cooled cylinder.

Craig

 

[MaineExport]

Actually both the 400ex and 300ex are air cooled.

That's what I thought.... not to mention the 400 is barely faster than a blaster... and that's only on the top end. I'd go for a z400 (or KFX/DVX 400) if you're seriously interested in a decent performing 400 4-stroke.

 

[screamingdemon]

If he really wants to go the 4stroke route then I would recommend atleast getting one of the new 450's. So far the Suzuki 450 is the only one I would pay money for.

 

[MaineExport]

Screamingdemon....

what kind of DSM do you have? They only made the Eclipse/Laser/Talon and 3000GT/Stealth together.... right?

The old 1st generation turbo AWD eclipse was a sick ass car... I'm more of a Nissan guy... had a swapped s14 240sx MANY years ago... but several of my old car buddies had the eclipses... fast right from the factory unlike my pig of a KA24.

 

[BlueDiablo]

proud Talon owner right here...